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Is ATF Suitable For Harley-Davidson Primary Chaincase Use?

A reader asks: I’m doing the three main fluid changes in my 2005 Harley Fatboy. For the primary, I have used AMSOIL Synthetic ATF in the past. Is that a good choice?

Our answer: The use of automatic transmission fluid in Harley-Davidson primary chaincases has been a hotly debated issue for many years. Automotive ATF would not be our choice.

Why Do Some Use ATF In H-D Primary Chaincases?

This practice seems to have originated in the aftermarket clutch market and drag racing community. One of the main reasons is that the thinner ATF will allow the clutch to grab harder during aggressive riding.

Some aftermarket clutch-makers suggest ATF meeting the Dexron III spec, while others suggest Ford “Type F”.

We spoke to one aftermarket clutch-maker who suggested that Harley-Davidson Primary Fluid did not perform well with their Kevlar clutch plates. They claim that ATF is more compatible with their clutch plates (more on Kevlar clutch plates below).

Related: See All Of Our Articles On Harley-Davidson Motorcycles And Synthetic Oil 

What Is Our Oil Suggestion For Harley Primaries?

For stock and aftermarket clutches, we suggest AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Primary Fluid or AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil. Here are features and benefits of both of these options.

  • Each is designed for primary chaincase service
  • Provides maximum chain and sprocket protection
  • Allows for consistent clutch performance
  • Eases shift into neutral
  • Will not thin-out under extreme heat
  • Reduces friction
  • Overbuilt for long service life
  • Compatible with aftermarket Kevlar clutch plates

Is ATF Too Thin For Harley Primary Chaincases?

AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Primary Fluid We submit that ATF is too thin for Harley primary use. It’s true that many Harley riders have had years of problem-free performance with ATF. We contend that a thicker oil will provide superior metal-to-metal wear protection. Chains and sprockets will last longer using a fluid with an appropriate viscosity.

Below are the kinematic viscosity numbers for AMSOIL Signature Series Multi-Vehicle Synthetic ATF, AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic 20W-50 and AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Primary Fluid. The viscosity is measured at 100°C.

  • ATF- 7.5 cST
  • 20W-50- 18.5 cST
  • Primary Fluid- 18.7 cST

Compared to 20W-50 motorcycle oil and the dedicated primary fluid, ATF is very thin. For reference purposes, ATF has a similar viscosity to 5W-20 motor oil.

The AMSOIL V-Twin Primary Fluid is an SAE 90. Some may wonder how the 20W-50 and 90-weight primary fluid have a similar viscosity. The reason is that gear oils and motor oils are given different viscosity numbers on the label to prevent confusion. But in terms of the actual viscosity measured in the lab, they are very close.

In conclusion, if you have a stock clutch, use a dedicated primary fluid or a suitable 20W-50. If you have an aftermarket clutch, we would still submit that a good synthetic primary fluid is the better choice.

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New AMSOIL Fluids for V-Twin Primary and Transmission

AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Transmission OilAMSOIL has released two more synthetic oils for the motorcycle market. The new products are AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Transmission Oil and AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Primary Chaincase Oil. As the names imply, these products are specific to V-Twin motorcycles like Harley Davidson, Triumph and Indian motorcycles (produced before the 2013 model year).

Related: See All Of Our Harley-Davidson And Synthetic Oil Articles

Why Did AMSOIL Choose to Make Specific Primary Chaincase and Transmission Oils For V-Twin Motorcycles?

Apparently when it came to Triumph and Indian motorcycle models that have three separate sumps (one each for engine oil, primary chaincase fluid and transmission fluid), AMSOIL did not have suitable fluids for the primary and gearbox. These new transmission and chaincase fluids fill these small gaps in their product offerings.

There are also some motorcycle owners who prefer to use specialized primary chaincase and transmission oil in these components instead of motorcycle engine oil.

AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic Primary Chaincase OilShould Harley-Davidson Owners Switch To These New Products?

For years, AMSOIL has been recommending their MCV Synthetic 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil in the engine, primaries and transmissions of modern day Harley-Davidson motorcycles. The effectiveness of their 20W-50 in all three holes has been proven over millions of miles by thousands of Harley owners. The feedback on MCV 20W-50 from our Harley customers has been nothing short of spectacular.

There is no advantage in terms of performance or wear protection in switching to these new products over MCV 20W-50 in the primary chaincase and transmission of your Harley. It is truly a sideways move. Apparently the new Transmission Oil may offer modestly quieter performance in some transmissions. It’s your call as to whether this trumps the luxury of using a single (very proven) product throughout your bike.

What Are The Benefits Of AMSOIL Synthetic Primary Chaincase Oil?

  • Provides cool, quiet operation
  • Improves clutch operation
  • Fights clutch slippage
  • Combats metal-to-metal wear
  • Can remain in service for 10,000 miles (16,000 km)

What Are The Benefits Of AMSOIL Synthetic V-Twin Transmission Oil?

  • Smooths out shifting
  • Eases gear selection
  • Dampens gearbox noises
  • Lowers friction for cooler operation
  • Maintains its viscosity for long-lasting wear protection
  • Delivers an ultra-long service life of 20,000 miles (32,000 km)

What Is The Viscosity Of The New Primary Chaincase and Transmissions Fluids?

The V-Twin Transmission Oil is an SAE 110 and Primary Chaincase Fluid falls into the SAE 90 range. These products cannot be substituted for one another. Each has a specific additive package designed exclusively for their intended purpose,  so do not use the transmission fluid in the primary and do not use the primary fluid in the transmission.

Regarding MCV 20W-50 Motorcycle Engine Oil, keep in mind that engine oils and gear lubes are shown on a different scale (so you don’t accidentally pour gear oil into the engine). MCV 20W-50 and these new oils do share a similar viscosity and that’s one of the reasons why why MCV 20W-50 is quite suitable in primary and transmission use in Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C

  • AMSOIL MCV 20W-50- 20.4 cST
  • V-Twin Transmission Oil- 20.7 cST
  • V-Twin Primary Oil- 18.7 cST

Where Can I Buy New The New AMSOIL Synthetic V-Twin Primary Chaincase and Transmissions Fluids?

Here of course! We can rush these products out of our Canadian or US warehouses to your door in just a day or two. We also have a full suite of synthetic motorcycle engine oils and oil filters. Request a price list using the contact form on your upper right or call us at 1-800-748-5781.

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Correct Oil For Harley Primary and Transmission?

A reader asks: “I’m looking to switch my Harley-Davidson Street Glide Special over to AMSOIL. Obviously the engine will take your synthetic 20W-50, but I’m curious about what to use in the primary and transmission. There are a lot of different combinations put out there on the internet. Some use gear lube in the transmission and chaincase. Some even use ATF in chaincase and claim they have great results. What is the best combination for my bike?”

Answer: For any Harley Twin-Cam engine, we highly recommend using AMSOIL Synthetic 20W-50 in “all three holes” (as they put it) for two essential reasons.

Update: AMSOIL now offers dedicated fluid for Harley Davidson primary chain-cases and transmissions. These are called AMSOIL V-Twin Primary Oil and AMSOIL V-Twin Transmission Oil. Should one use these dedicated fluids? Or is AMSOIL V-Twin 20W-50 acceptable for primary and transmission use? There truly is no wrong answer. AMSOIL V-Twin 20W-50 is designed for engine, primary and transmission use. It is certainly a highly competent and convenient choice for all three components. For those that prefer a specialized fluid, the V-Twin Primary and V-Twin Transmission Fluids will certainly provide outstanding performance and protection. 

Related: See All Of Our Articles On Harley-Davidson Motorcycles And Synthetic Oil 

AMSOIL V-Twin 20W-50 Works (and works very well indeed)

AMSOIL 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil is specifically designed to withstand the rigors of engine, transmission and primary chaincase use. Expect smooth, quiet shifting with maximum component life. It is contains additives to prevent wear and the 100% synthetic base oil will not shear down (thin out). Therefore, it will not leave transmission or primary components vulnerable to accelerated wear.

AMSOIL has secondary recommendations of AMSOIL Severe Gear 75W-110 for the transmission and Severe Gear 75W-140 for the primary, but the company themselves will tell you that there is absolutely no upside to using gear oil in these components rather than the 20W-50. Some may think that they are using a thicker oil by using a gear lube. But remember that engine oils and gear lubes use different viscosity scales to prevent confusion.

What About Gear Oil?

Let’s look at the actual viscosity numbers of AMSOIL 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil and AMSOIL Severe Gear 75W-90, 75W-110 and 75W-140. The industry standard for measuring viscosity is in “centistokes” at 100°C.

  • “MCV”AMSOIL 20W-50: 20.4
  • “SVG” Severe Gear 75W-90: 16.8
  • “SVT” Severe Gear 75W-110: 21.3
  • “SVO” Severe Gear 75W-140: 27.5

AMSOIL V-Twin Synthetic 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil As you can see, the 20W-50 motorcycle oil is very close to the 75W-110 in terms of actual viscosity. So those opting for a gear lube thinking that they are using thicker oil, really are not. Those using an 80W or 75W-90 in their transmissions are actually using a much thinner oil. The 20W-50 motorcycle oil’s viscosity is right in the “sweet spot” for optimum operation in all three holes and the volumes of positive reviews we receive back this up.

Gear lubes do contain heavy doses of “extreme pressure” additives which many believe prevent transmission wear and provide quieter operation. Again, AMSOIL 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil is packed with additives specifically designed to prevent wear in clutches, gears, chains and sprockets. There is absolutely no downside to going the 20W-50 route.

Some tout the use of automatic transmission fluid (ATF) in Harley primary chaincases. We do not recommend this option. Again, let’s look at actual viscosity numbers to back this up. The viscosity of a typical ATF at 100°C is 7.5 centistokes. We submit that ATF viscosity is far too thin for this application and think that the risk of long term wear is far too great. AMSOIL 20W-50 has a viscosity of 20.4 centistokes.

Convenience: One Effective Product For Everything

The second main reason that we recommend using 20W-50 motorcycle oil in the engine, transmission and primary chaincase is that you can buy one product for everything. Therefore, you can keep one product on hand and bring one oil along on trips for top-ups. In conclusion,  only does AMSOIL Synthetic 20W-50 work exceptionally well in all three holes, it keeps things simple.

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